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Blake Smith's avatar

I'm not one for programmatic positive statements about how the novel (or anything) should be, but I do after all agree with Peck at least on avoiding both certain strands of 'experiment' (which are usually played out anyway--eg, my making fun of NYRB Classics too-late-modernism and Robert Gluck's post-avant-gardism) and flat stale 'verite'-y realism. Through Barthes and Kristeva, I've been lately reading Bakhtin on the novel and find a lot that I like about his vision of fiction as richly multiple in its comedic play of multiple voices--which, crucially, does not equate to 'ambivalence' or 'irony' in a distancing mode, but rather of being plunged into participation in the various irreconcilable sociolects and little languages that make up our tradition and our present. Which is how at least Ulysses had read to me when I looked at it 15 years ago (although perhaps revisited now it would look otherwise). Of course, Bakhtin liked Dostoevsky and Rabelais, who fall totally flat for me (the latter reminds me of Bellow, who I also can't stand!).

I'd want to distinguish a bad modernism/postmodernism that sets the world's discourses in quotation marks to perform a sterile knowing mastery (the voice of Twitter/Oyler) and a good, carnivalesque one that cites and stylizes itself through available rhetorics rather the way we would take roles in a game, to play them, to have sincere fun. Although the line between the two is perhaps just a way of distinguishing the enjoyable from the unenjoyable rather than a real principle of distinction...

I loved Barth and Barthelme in high school and have only reread the latter since, but it's surprising to me that things like the Balloon Man story don't appeal to you! I find him vitalizingly silly when he's not (as in Snow White) getting a bit too up his butt on second-hand ideas about 'language' and the 'collapse of meaning.' Barth in stories like 'Night-Sea Voyage' or in Gilles Goat-Boy is having the sort of fun Woody Allen does in the sketches of 'Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Sex...'--I'd rather read him than Pynchon (Sotweed Factor over Mason and Dixon) or Delillo (I've only attempted Cosmopolis and Mao II and couldn't get anywhere in either)... but, as per my Dostoevsky comment, there may just be something characterological at work.

I'm not sure what you mean by Flaubertian hauteur--who can read Bovary or the Three Stories with a dry eye?! He was the master of the sentence but also of pathos. One could do a lot worse than having him as 'true Penelope'...

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Gnocchic Apocryphon's avatar

Underworld pretty well says the point at several points I think. It’s almost a decoder ring for the whole DeLilloan project imo! (Could be wrong about this, I’ve read less than you have.) I definitely have reservations about early Pynchon, though I’ll be interested to see what you make of his later, more humanist work- & the rumor is that PTA’s next film is a Vineland adaptation.

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