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William Collen's avatar

"It’s frivolous to invoke classism and ableism and the like to talk about using AI tools for literary work, but it’s equally frivolous to dismiss the possibility of using such tools for serious artistic purposes, like someone saying in 1895 that there will be no legitimate artistic use for photography." —On of the most promising directions seems to be the use of AI art as a randomizer in the manner of the surrealists, who would often use techniques such as frottage, dream imagery, strange juxtapositions, etc. AI image generators could be the ideal way to bring randomness into an artists' working practice; in this regard, I kind of wish we could jump back to the AI image engines of a few years ago, which were much more wildly random and not as stylistically calcified as they are today.

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Do you think the experience of beauty-in-nature is meaningfully different than that of beauty-in-art? Or more pertinently, is 'being-moved-by-the-beauty-of-nature' meaningfully different than 'being-moved-by-the-beauty-of-art'? Personally, I am not really sure there is a difference, and I'm at least unconvinced that many artists would choose the beauty-of-art over the beauty-of-nature (that is, if you had to choose between a semi-Edenic planet in which art-creation was punished by death (and all pre-existing art was destroyed) versus a 6ft by 6ft cell in which 'all hitherto existing art was accessible' in the original (that is, the actual, concrete, individual Cezannes, etc) and you were paid to be relentlessly inspired by it. Or rather, doesn't the argument above play into the idea that 'nature is more beautiful when you know it has an author,' an idea which I think most contemporary artists would reject? I suppose my point is something like this: art-beauty is a version of nature which follows from the rupture of subjectivity, nature-beauty is simply a part of nature (no such rupture). The products of AI fall clearly into the former category, to the extent that they are beautiful, and there is no particular reason to say things like 'I value Don Quixote more than this sparrow which, all ruptures in subjectivity aside, suddenly alighted, on my window sill this morning.' One only need to say this if a certain political agent put the sparrow on your shelf for the purpose of undermining your valuation of Don Quixote, and to the extent that AI is such a political agent, I agree with you. But I find it hard to see, in a more fundamental sense, how AI is less natural than a sparrow, etc, and how can, conceptually, it can plausible be included with art except to the extent that what it is is systematically misunderstood (I mean, I think the argument you give is ultimately pedagogical).

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